“Goncalo Amaral believes that the Maddie Case process might be re-opened
soon”
Transcript/Translation
Rita Ferro Rodrigues - RFR
Francisco Menezes - FM
Hernani Carvalho - HC
Goncalo Amaral - GA
Paulo Pereira Cristovão - PPC
Paulo Sargento - PS
RFR - Why did you want to be here, specifically, today?
HC - Because it's a shame to forbid a man of speaking about how
he has worked. People may not like Inspector Goncalo Amaral, people may
not even like his work methodology, however what one cannot do is to
forbid a man of speaking about his life. The Maddie case was coordinated
by Inspector Goncalo Amaral, therefore for him to give an account about
that in a book was his right, to report what was in the process in the
book was a second right - to forbid him and take the bread out of his
mouth, in a so-called democratic country, is not normal. And I won't say
anything further regarding that. I suggest you watch the reportage we
have done.
GA - It's is a joyful day, a day that I see as important.
(cut) We cannot defend a democratic system if we allow Freedom of
Expression to be curtailed, as it was in my case. (cut) I know
about my daughters' reaction, who have been through a lot; and when they
learned about the decision - they were the first to know - they cried,
they cried of happiness. (cut) For the past 13 months while I was
obliged to be silent regarding this issue, while I was denigrated, while
my whole family saw our assets being arrested, the intrusion of my and
my family's private life, which has practically taken us close to
poverty...(cut) Until that disappearance, until I left the police
I was an active element in the Judiciary Police. (cut) Then my
life changed radically, I went from a stable, comfortable situation to
one far more precarious, jeopardizing even my family subsistence.
(cut) I still hold the wish - and I have the certainty that the
investigation will be reopened soon. (cut) Nowadays I have no
doubts left, the archival for various reasons, was mainly due to
political pressures made by the English - I have no doubts about that.
(cut) The investigation will be concluded, it will be re-opened
and it will be taken to an end; and justice will be made, that is all
that we want. (cut) There are hundreds of indications, clues
regarding a certain event; and it is that event that some people do not
accept and want to conceal. (cut)
Reporter
question
[muffled by the wind on the micro/sea-gulls and
sea waves in the background; sounds like]
- How were you able to get
through those times?
[see comment
10
for alternative translation]
COMMENT10
"Reporter
question [muffled by the wind on the micro/sea-gulls and sea
waves in the background; sounds like] - How were you able to
get through those times?"
The reporter asks:
"Como é que se sobrevive a uma coisa destas?"
"How does one survive/surpass such a thing?"(meaning all
that he and his family endured for the last year)
And that's really what Dr. Amaral and his family went
through, they did not LIVE life in full, they SURVIVED, they
STRUGGLED to keep united and strong, with such dignity and
integrity the McCanns never had nor will have, not in a
million years, no matter the amount of PR their dirty money
can buy. |
GA - With lots of support, with lots of support from friends, of
my family...
[visibly emotional]... and with lots of tenderness and love
within my family... It's not easy, I guarantee you that.. I don't wish
anyone to go through what I, in particular my family have gone through.
And I have many doubts that that couple is as Christian or as Catholic
as they say they are... (cut)
RFR - Just a small foot note Hernani. Independently of whatever
our convictions may be regarding the Maddie case, here
[pointing to the
screen]
this is a case of Freedom...
HC - It's much more than...
RFR - It's a case of Freedom of Expression, and one understands
the emotion of Goncalo Amaral with this decision.
FM - A man visibly downhearted...
RFR - Absolutely.
HC - I don't accept this situation; the state is responsible for
this, the Portuguese state. This emotion carries, very likely, thirty
years of an exemplar career. I do not have any knowledge of Inspector
Goncalo Amaral ever being punished on the service of the country, as
some heralds of the nation say: “at the service of the motherland”. This
one? With all the flaws that you want him to have, but he was “at the
service of the motherland”, and various times in places where no one
else wanted to be.
PS - Exactly.
HC - Therefore, even if one is not a close friend of Inspector
Goncalo Amaral it is a matter of Justice to be here and state, it is a
matter of Justice to be here and to say that the Inspector Goncalo
Amaral, and in his case I would be, is waiting for an apology of any one
[energúmeno - indivíduo desprezível, que não merece confiança; boçal,
ignorante - impossible lit.translation]
dimwit that has allowed for
this to happen. Somewhere in the state...
PPC - There were many.
HC - ... there is a dimwit who has allowed this to happen,
because he merely published a book about his job. And the book did not
contain any secrets, it contained what is included in the process. If a
process is archived then it's public. We're sorry
[shortened version of
an ironic catch-phrase often used by HC]
but that is the truth.
FM - It is an exercise of freedom of expression.
HC - It is indifferent for me who is guilty here; I don't want to
know about the Maddie case - that is not what we are talking about.
RFR - That is not what is at stake
[crux, point, core]
here.
HC - What we are talking about, is, that it was possible for
someone, from outside of Portugal, to come in here and to “cook”
whatever they felt like! And still add salt, pepper, garlics, coriander
and whatever else...
PS - Exactly.
FM - And what does that seem to...
HC - This is what we are talking about! And now watch the rest, I
have more to show you.
Reporter question How do you feel regarding the McCann couple
visits?
[see comment
14
for alternative translation]
COMMENT
14
FURTHER
TRANSLATION
REPORTER: How do you feel about these local visits by the
McCanns'? (referring to Kate McCann recent visit to Praia da
Luz)
G.AMARAL: The day it took place...the day she (Kate) was in
PDL...on the 2nd of October...a few days ago...happened to
be my birthday...it also (marked) the day I was removed
(from my role) as chief co-ordinator of the on-going
investigation (into Madeleine disappearance) which was being
conducted from the PJ headquarters in Portimao... (that day.
the day Kate was here)I told my wife: "These people
(McCanns') leave nothing to chance. Something is about to
happen... (cut)
"I remember the father (Gerry McCann) as a practical man, a
man capable of quick decisions...the wife...Kate...it seemed
to be a problem there...ommissions of facts...(refusal) to
admit certain facts...facts that happened......(now) the
fact that their daughter disappeared does not give them the
right (to try and) destroy a family... (GA is obviously
referring to his own family)... stop this bulshit!
(verbatim), stop inventing... simulating... invoking the
name of God...to injure others... because God is omnipresent
and knows what's going on. What I would say to you
(McCanns') is: if you want to be genuine, real Christians...catholics,
(as you say you are) then practice was is Good for... as we
say in Portugal... "there are more tides, than sailors".
Ends.
I found other contributions towards the end, which are not
in the excerpt you give here - namely the comments of
Goncalo Amaral's friend and colleague Paulo Cristóvão as
well as Prof. Paulo Sargento (forensic psychologist and
academic) of great interest. These , given interest from
your readers, deserve a translation too. Take heart!
I guess that's about it. Good night to you and all your
readers. God bless!
Jorge Ferreira |
GA - On the day that took place, when that 'lady' was in Praia da
Luz (cut) On
the second of October, just a few days ago... In that day it's my
anniversary, and it was also the day when I was removed as head of the
department
[back in 2007]
of Portimão where the
investigation was taking place. (cut) I made a comment to my wife
- “these people don't do anything without a reason, something is about
to happen” (cut) I perceived the child's father as a man who is
practical, as a man capable of making quick decisions, and I understood
Mrs. Kate (cut) Possibly might have some kind of problem in
admitting the truth, or acknowledging an event that has taken place.
(cut) The fact that their daughter has disappeared, does not give
them the right to destroy any other family. (cut) Stop the
humbug...don't fabulate, don't pretend; stop invoking God's name to harm
others, because God is above and knows what is happening. (cut)
What I would say to them, honestly, if they truly wish to be so
Christian, so Catholic, then they should really practice good. (cut)
I would tell them that there are plenty more fish in the sea,
[Port.
pop. proverb “Há mais marés que marinheiros”, lit. trans. There are more
tides than sailors, meaning. there are more opportunities]
as we say
here, in Portugal. (cut)
HC - Paulo, good morning, what do you have to say about this?
PPC - Good morning, well I...
HC - You were a PJ inspector, you were his comrade, you know the
paths he has travelled...
PPC - I would like to make a question, and this is something
personal. I would like to ask those gentleman at the Judiciary Police
disciplinary department who have condemned the coordinator Goncalo
Amaral, when he was already retired, for breach of the duty of
confidentiality because he wrote this book. What do they have to say
about this now? Particularly from the moment when an Appellate court,
states, that Mr. Amaral has all the rights to publish that book. They
could
also have done it to me
[ref. to Paulo Pereira Cristovão books
“A
Estrela de Joana”
and “A
Estrela de Madeleine” both published previously to Amaral's “Maddie,
A Verdade da Mentira”]
for some strange reason they didn't when
I wrote my first book...
HC - He believes that the process, with new information that are
bound to appear, might be re-opened, does that make sense?
PPC - It may eventually make sense if we have new elements, new
evidence that somehow allow for that reopening, but above all - you've
said it before and very well, how did we allow for people to came from
abroad and do this “cooking”
[pejorative analogy]? But there were also
several people inside
[in the country]
who have contributed with the
ingredients
[seasoning]
for said “cooking”, because otherwise we would never allow for Goncalo
Amaral to be “roasted”, excuse my expression, in “low fire” like he was,
without being protected,
rigorously, by anyone. Except for a few dozen people who know him
personally and who have defended him publicly. But, yes, it is possible
to reopen the process with new elements, however above all is, as
Goncalo said and well, his life
first, of the Man Goncalo Amaral, of Sofia
[his wife], of the girls
[their daughters]...
HC - All of their assets were arrested.
PPC - All of their assets were seized, we are talking about
someone who has lost...
HC - Did you feel angered
[indignant]
during those times?
PPC - Very much, yes. And I was recently with him...
HC - Professor Paulo Sargento, something new is about to take
place
-
Maya
[a TV psychic, unrelated to the
self alleged psychic lawyer from
Madeira]
has phoned telling me that something will happen. What I want to ask you
is -
to you who have
followed this case with deep commitment
[wholeheartedly]
- how come no one has ever filled any
complaint in England regarding this case?
PS - Well, that is an unusual phenomenon... The first thing that
I would like to do is to send an embrace to Goncalo Amaral, and to tell
him that finally there is a first sign of a turn around
[improvement]
of
this whole process. Because this acknowledgement by the Portuguese law
regarding this process is like a big rubber eraser who is trying to
expunge a huge blemish that has behind it a series of problems. Of
which, the first one - and Paulo was just now speaking about the
reopening of the case - is to understand of what exactly is the
prosecutor of Évora waiting for, let's put in this way, to publish the
new endeavours that were proposed, some of which were put forward
because they were never fully carried out within the scope of the
investigation. And there are at least two points, which under the
criminal point of view, are absolutely relevant and need to be
evaluated. Second issue, it is something that I would also like to
understand and still in the framework of this specific process; three
points, one of which is the Minister of Justice that has in his office
four emails and a registered letter where it is asked, Mr. Justice
Minister
[facing the broadcast camera], where it is asked...
HC - Paulo Sargento, you're not going to speak badly of ministers
in here, are you?
[jokingly manner]
Don't get me in to trouble, okay?
PS - No, no.
RFR - But do ask him directly, Dr. Paulo.
PS - I will, it is the same question I've sent to the Minister of
Internal Affairs, who had the carefulness to reply, and pass it on to
the Justice Minister. Why didn't he answered to this fundamental
question - Why did the McCann couple
entered two consecutive times, during this same process
[the injunction that took place at Palácio de
Justiça, Lisbon],
by the Judges door
[a door reserved to magistrates
only]?
HC - Now there's a great question. And now I would suggest that
we watch the inspector...
RFR - Yes, let's conclude the programme with the words of the
inspector...
RFR/HC -
[simultaneously]
Goncalo Amaral.
RFR - Exactly.
[follows a repetition of Inspector Goncalo Amaral first segment,
inclusively during the final rolling credits]
GA - It's is a joyful day, a day that I see as important.
(cut) We cannot defend a democratic system if we allow Freedom of
Expression to be curtailed, as it was in my case. (cut) I know
about my daughters' reaction, who have been through a lot; and when they
learned about the decision - they were the first to know - they cried,
they cried of happiness. (cut) For the past 13 months while I was
obliged to be silent regarding this issue, while I was denigrated, while
my whole family saw our assets being arrested, the intrusion of my and
my family's private life, which has practically taken us close to
poverty...(cut) Until that disappearance, until I left the police
I was an active element in the Judiciary Police. (cut) Then my
life changed radically, I went from a stable, comfortable situation to
one far more precarious, jeopardizing even my family subsistence.
(cut) I still hold the wish - and I have the certainty that the
investigation will be reopened soon. (cut) Nowadays I have no
doubts left, the archival for various reasons, was mainly due to
political pressures made by the English - I have no doubts about that.
(cut) The investigation will be concluded, it will be re-opened
and it will be taken to an end; and justice will be made, that is all
that we want. (cut) There are hundreds of indications, clues
regarding a certain event; and it is that event that some people do not
accept and want to conceal. (cut)
Reporter question
[muffled by the wind on the micro/sea-gulls and
sea waves in the background; sounds like]
- How were you able to get
through those times?
GA - With lots of support, with lots of support from friends, of
my family...
[visibly emotional]...
and with lots of tenderness and love within my family... It's not easy,
I guarantee you that.. I don't wish anyone to go through what I, in
particular my family have gone through. And I have many doubts that that
couple is as Christian or
as Catholic as they say they are... (cut)
Ends 11'31'' |
Rita Ferro
Rodrigues (RTR) entertainer
Another
entertainer (boy) AE .
Hernani Carvalho (
HC)
Paulo Pereira
Cristovão (PPC)
Paulo Sargento
(P.S.)
+++++++++++++++++++++
RFR: qual a razão
que te fez estar aqui hoje?
HC. - Porque é uma
pouca vergonha de proibir um homem contar como é que trabalhou . Podem
não gostar do Inspector Goncalo Amaral , pode, inclusivamente , não se
gostar da metodologia que utiliza, mas não se pode proibir um homem de
falar da sua vida. O Caso Maddie foi dirigido pelo Inspector Goncalo
Amaral , portanto ele contar isso em livro é um direito; c contar o que
está no processo em livro era um segundo direito . Proibi-lo e tirar-lhe
o pão da boca , não é num País Democrático, uma coisa com normalidade.
Já para não dizer mais nada. Proponho que vejas uma reportagem que
fizemos:
G.A. é um
dia feliz, um dia que considero importante pois não podemos
defender um Estado Democrático , quando permitimos que a liberdade de
expressão seja
coarctada como foi
no meu caso.
A reacção das
Minhas Filhas , que muito têm passado, e quando souberam da decisão ,
foram elas as primeiras a saber, elas choraram. Mas, choraram de
alegria.
Nestes 13 meses em
que fui remetido ao silêncio , acerca desta matéria, em que fui
humilhado, em que toda a minha Família teve os bens arrestados, a
devassa da minha vida privada e de toda a minha Família , que nos
levaram praticamente à miséria.
Esse
desaparecimento, até à minha saída da Polícia, eu era um elemento
intervertido até à minha saída da Polícia Judiciária… depois a minha
vida mudou de forma radical.
Passei de uma
situação estável, confortável para uma situação muito débil, pondo
em causa até a própria sobrevivência da minha Família.
Mantenho um desejo
e tenho a certeza que é uma investigação que será reaberta
proximamente.
Hoje em dia não
tenho dúvidas , foi arquivada por vários motivos, principalmente por
pressões políticas vindas de UK; disso não tenho dúvidas.
A investigação
será reaberta e avançará e far-se-á justiça. É o que nós queremos.
Há centenas de
indícios , indícios sobre um determinado acontecimento . E é esse
determinado acontecimento que há certas pessoas que não o aceitam.
Querem oculta-lo .
Voz off:
Como é que
sobrevive ( ruído) a tudo isto?
GA. - como ? Com
muito apoio! (02:19 segundos ) Muito apoio de Amigos, de Família, e com
muito amor e carinho dentro da própria família. Não é fácil.
Garanto-lhes e não
desejo a ninguém que passem por aquilo que eu…. principalmente a minha
família tem passado . E tenho muitas dúvidas que aquele casal seja tão
feliz e tão católico como diz.
RFR-
independentemente do que todos nós, pelas nossas convicções, do que
podemos pensar sobre o Caso Maddie , é que é um caso de liberdade, é um
caso de liberdade de expressão e compreende-se a emoção de GA ….
H.C. Eu não
aceito esta emoção. O Estado( Governo) é responsável por isto , o
Governo Português . Esta emoção carrega 30 anos de carreira ,
exemplares. Não tenho conhecimento de o Inspector Goncalo Amaral ter
sido punido ao serviço do País , como alguns arautos da Nação dizem : "
ao serviço da Pátria" . Este , com todos os defeitos que lhe possam pôr
, esteve ao serviço da Pátria e muitas vezes
em sítios onde
ninguém quis estar . E, portanto não sendo amigo íntimo do Inspector
Goncalo Amaral , é uma questão de Justiça estar aqui a dizer que o
Senhor Inspector Goncalo Amaral está à espera , no meu lugar eu estaria,
do pedido de desculpas de um qualquer energúmeno que permitiu que isto
acontecesse. Há algures no Estado ( voz off: foram muitos) alguém
que permitiu que isto acontecesse. Ele limitou-se a publicar um livro
sobre o seu trabalho . E o livro não tinha segredos, está baseado num
processo . Que está arquivado o processo é público. Temos pena (
expressão que significa LAMENTO MUITO e não aceito) . É a verdade .
( interrupções dos
entrevistadores)
HC: do que estamos
a falar é como é que foi possível alguém de fora de Portugal
chegar aqui e
cozinhar o que lhe apeteceu e ainda lhe pôs sal, pimenta, alhos,
coentros e mais que fosse. É disto que estamos a falar. E,
agora vê o resto pois tenho mais para te mostrar.
(vow off): comma é
que sente estas visitas do casal McCann?
G.A. - olhe, no
dia em que isso a conheceu , em que a senhora (kate) esteve na Praia da
Luz, no dia 2 de Outubro, há poucos dias, nesse dia eu fazia anos e
também foi o dia em que me tiraram da chefia daqui, do Departamento de
Portimão , onde corria a investigação. Eu fiz um comentário para a Minha
Esposa ,
" estes senhores
não fazem nada por acaso . Alguma coisa está para acontecer . O pai da
Criança é um homem que é prático, um homem com decisões rápidas e tenho
a noção sobre a senhora Kate de ter um problema em admitir
determinados factos… o que aconteceu. O facto de lhes ter desaparecido
uma Filha não lhes dá o direito de destruir seja qual for a Família.
Deixem-se de
mentiras, não inventem, não simulem , não invoquem o nome de Deus , para
fazer mal aos outros. Porque Deus está lá em cima e sabe o que se passa.
O que lhes diria a eles é que , sinceramente, se querem ser tão
cristãos, tão católicos , digo-lhes que de facto pratiquem o bem . E
diria também que há
" mais marés que
marinheiros", como se diz ( significa que as coisas poderão não ficar
assim; que o poder pode passar).
H.C. (00:05:56)
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