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The
Madeleine McCann Case on Spanish TV:
Las Mañanas de cuatro
Mercedes
25 Feb 2010
Transcript by "Reme" Translation by
Mercedes With thanks to
"Himself"
for English grammar
00:55 - Concha
Garcia Campoy: We have news in the "Maddie" case. The
book "Maddie: The Truth of the Lie" that was written by
former Police Co-ordinator Gonçalo Amaral, will remain
prohibited in Portugal as we informed here previously.
Earlier this
year, it was provisionally withdrawn from the bookstores
at the request of the McCanns and now the courts have
just ratified the measure. Jerónimo Boloix, how are you,
good afternoon. And we have a person who knows much
about this case, the author of a blog, Mercedes how are
you?
Can you
interpret what happened as a new victory for the
McCanns?
Mercedes: A
momentary victory. The fact that someone bans the
freedom of speech of the police or any person, is very,
very, difficult to maintain in a court, Gonçalo Amaral
is prepared to appeal to the European Court, and he
will, he is a strong man and this is a struggle they
have between them and I think in the end ...
Concha: It seems
it is true that the struggle is to reopen the case, is
that right Jerónimo? What he wants is to know the truth
... is taking a risk, a risk from the very start...
Mercedes: Yes
Jerónimo Boloix:
I think that even though this first ruling is contrary
to the interests of Amaral, it may facilitate the
reopening of the case, I think Gonçalo should appeal
this ruling and contribute to the case. What surprises
me greatly is that they are trying to silence the book,
and we have just seen a few seconds ago Paulo Sargento's
statements.
Concha: Wait a
minute, now that you mention this, because it is an
exclusive statement of the forensic psychologist, who
has been involved in the case from the start, and
Alejandro Vazquez has been with him and actually he is
absolutely certain; listen.
Exclusive
Interview with Paulo Sargento.
Video:
Pictures of Madeleine playing with her brothers
Alejandro Vázquez:
You've worked on the Madeleine case from the beginning.
Paulo Sargento:
From the beginning, from the second day after the
disappearance.
Alejandro Vázquez:
And what's your theory?
Paulo Sargento:
I think the girl died on May 3, and it would have been
utterly impossible for the kidnapping to have taken
place. The abduction has been a media construction only,
because there is not one supporting fact to support
this.
Alejandro Vázquez:
Why the McCanns are now saying that there is no evidence
that Madeleine is dead?
Paulo Sargento:
Because their (the McCann's) interpretation is contrary
to death, in fact there is evidence: corpse odour, the
scent of human blood and there is a set of forensic
evidence, evidence that the girl is dead unfortunately.
Alejandro Vázquez:
Can your surmise that with such evidence that there has
been a murder, manslaughter...
Paulo Sargento:
Yes.
Alejandro Vázquez:
...the case has been shelved.
Paulo Sargento:
I am sure that were it a Portuguese couple, the
treatment wouldn't have been the same. The forensic
evidence would have been constituted as proof, and
probably the couple would be in prison.
Alejandro Vázquez:
How would you define Gerry and Kate's behaviour?
Paulo Sargento:
They have changed the roles, also advised by image
consultants, from the beginning Cuddle Cat in her hands,
and then we saw that Kate disappeared from scene and
Gerry took over the leadership. Gerry is very
aggressive. He is very, very aggressive, he is a man who
is very impulsive... ahhh, Maddie disappeared, between
quotes, and Gerry McCann asked for a priest, if my
daughter disappears I would ask for more police ...
after that he requested an image consultant, to me it
would be better to ask for more police. If somebody
presents me the first piece evidence of an abduction,
I'll shut up forever, but real evidence and discussed in
a logical manner.
Alejandro Vázquez:
How can we understand now that the accused is
Gonçalo...?
Paulo Sargento:
Gonçalo Amaral represents symbolically, what Gerry and
Kate do not want, the death, and their participation in
concealing the body. Because he has been the Chief
Inspector, has left the police, has published a book
that says the same as the process.
Alejandro Vázquez:
Are you confident that at some point the truth will be
known, and the process reopened?
Paulo Sargento:
I believe in justice; I believe that Justice will be
done, I don't know when.
Alejandro Vazquez:
Thank you for everything.
Paulo Sargento:
Thank You.
End of the
Video
Concha: Mother!
He speaks clear, categorical, absolutely, eh... Do you
think, as he says that if the McCanns were Portuguese
they would be in jail? What do you feel Mercedes?
Mercedes: Of
course, without a doubt. Parents who recognize that they
left three small children alone, under four years of
age, to have dinner and they say they were passing by
every half hour, which has been shown, that at least the
night before this was not true, there is a statement
that appears in the Process of a neighbour who heard the
girl crying for an hour and a half the night before,
that for any other couple...
Alfonso Egea:
It's not a hypothesis; there have been examples in
Portugal. There was one case of a child and the mother
was not only suspected but was imprisoned, obviously the
nationality of the McCanns plays an important role here.
Now after hearing Paulo Sargento imagine...
Concha: Because
he is precise, she is dead. There are no forensic
doubts.
Alfonso Egea: I
guess the next move for the McCanns will be to request
this man to shut up too and if this was up to them,
everyone should shut up ...
Jerónimo Boloix:
The most shameful of all this is that, as Paulo Sargento
said, the book reflects the status of the investigation.
The person who spoke is a forensic psychologist who has
been involved with the case from the beginning. He said
white and in a bottle... (Spanish riddle: white and in a
bottle... The obvious answer is: milk). The only thing
he didn't say is when these people should go to prison.
But let's be realistic here, what is happening, is a
political struggle by the British Government against the
Portuguese Government, this is preventing further
clarification, and unfortunately, we may be in a
situation of a judicial lie. There an issue that we must
not forget, this little girl disappeared on May 3, three
years ago, and no one is looking for her because no one
cares for her. There are instructions from the parents,
individuals and institutions that support the parents in
their bogus search for the girl.
Concha: Well,
it's true that, in addition to what yourself and Paulo
Sargento have said, it is clear that, when a child is
missing and the first thing you do not do is call a
priest, the first thing I would do is call the police,
here they requested an image consultant, not more police
to investigate, now that's...
Mercedes: I can
say that the first article was published at 1 minute
past 12 on May 4th. We can see in the process that the
first call to police from the Ocean Club's reception was
at twenty to eleven PM... ummm, the timings just don't
fit.
Alfonso Egea:
You know very well that, that summer, they shared time
with a television producer, who was the second person to
receive a call, incomprehensible...
Mercedes:
Actually...
Jerónimo Boloix:
Equally incomprehensible is that having access to the
future British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, they didn't
request top British specialists, Scotland Yard, but this
image consultant, this is pure and simply an agreement
in that the image of the McCanns must appear above
suspicion in the matter of their daughter's...
Concha: It
surprises me more, Mercedes, and some will think and I
believe with good reason, you must be the person that
knows more about this case here, because you have
collected most of the information... "Until we know the
truth". Well, what a commitment, no? You've made a
commitment to Gonçalo Amaral and, do you think that we
will know the truth if people like you don't throw the
towel...?
Mercedes: I
think we are all helping each other on the internet,
there are currently very few media outlets that are
treating this, like today, in a serious way, nobody
wants to censure the parents, the aim is to allow the
police to do their job, nothing more. You can see very
clearly that there was external pressure, no matter from
whom; there has been pressure to close a case that was
ongoing, something that is unprecedented in an
investigation of this nature.
Jerónimo Boloix:
I want to ask Mercedes if you know the reason why this
trial that has been held now, against Gonçalo Amaral's
book, why haven't they admitted a witness or why haven't
the English witnesses appeared?
Mercedes: They
were pressured. They claimed they were under official
secret. Official secrecy is something that has been
invoked on several occasions. There are journalists who
have requested information and reply they have received,
is that it could not be provided because the case was
under the Official Secrets Act.
Concha: If a
Prime Minister is related....
Jerónimo Boloix:
But Justice for the girl and ascertaining what happened
to her, I think it is paramount...
Concha: Well
Mercedes, it has been a pleasure, many thanks. We will
contact you again when we review this case that I find
so very interesting.
Mercedes: Thank
you; thank you very much for addressing this issue
seriously and for providing an opportunity for
Madeleine. Everyone gives the opportunity to Kate and
Gerry McCann."
